{"id":44076,"date":"2023-10-13T16:02:56","date_gmt":"2023-10-13T22:02:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.alanarnette.com\/blog\/?p=44076"},"modified":"2023-10-13T16:02:56","modified_gmt":"2023-10-13T22:02:56","slug":"the-best-guides-for-an-8000-meter-mountain","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.alanarnette.com\/blog\/2023\/10\/13\/the-best-guides-for-an-8000-meter-mountain\/","title":{"rendered":"The Best Guides for an 8000-Meter Mountain"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"44076\" class=\"elementor elementor-44076\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-88084a1 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default wpr-particle-no wpr-jarallax-no wpr-parallax-no wpr-sticky-section-no wpr-column-slider-no wpr-equal-height-no\" data-id=\"88084a1\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-dae7906\" data-id=\"dae7906\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7b24253 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7b24253\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h1><span style=\"color: rgb(16, 34, 38); font-size: 16px;\">We continue to see preventable deaths on the 8000-meter mountains. In this article, I\u2019ll explore how they can be safely climbed, minimizing but never eliminating the risk of injury or death. To be clear, mountain climbing is dangerous whether you climb alone, with friends, are a sponsored professional or a client on a commercial team. If you don\u2019t think you could die, you shouldn\u2019t go.<\/span><br \/><\/h1>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It comes down to five basic principles: experience, leadership, judgment, risk management and personal responsibility. Let\u2019s break them down.<\/p>\n<h1><strong>Experience<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><u>The best climbers go to an 8000er fully prepared<\/u>\u2014physically, emotionally, mentally and with the right attitude. You gain these attributes through climbing lesser peaks over the years, slowly gaining the needed skills and appreciation for the challenge of an 8000-meter mountain. The biggest sin a climber can commit is the <u>sin of arrogance<\/u>. This is where you underestimate the difficulty of climbing above 26,000 feet and overestimate your capability. This combination puts people in an intractable position on the mountain, where their lives become dependent on the generosity of others. Another way of saying this is the best climbers find that fragile balance between confidence and humility.<\/p>\n<h1><strong>Leadership and Organization<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Many climbers use commercial teams to spread costs across many people. They depend on the guides&#8217; experience to reach their goals and come home safely. <u>The best guides will tightly vet their clients<\/u> for ability, personality and attitude. One company has a \u201cNo D*ckheads\u201d policy where they say,<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWe will only enroll climbers who we feel will be an asset to our team, and we regularly deny applicants. This selection is not necessarily about your resume, fitness, age, skill set or even your previous climbing experience (as we can work with you to create a custom plan to achieve your goals around these things). Instead, this criterion is based on your character and is designed to create a powerful, cohesive culture and a sense of belonging on all of our expeditions.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><u>The best guides have some type of accreditation<\/u>, like the International Federation of Mountain Guides Association (IFMGA) Wilderness First Responder (WFR) certification and avalanche training. &nbsp;Aspiring IMGA guides invest at least 94 days split up as follows:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>32 days of general mixed terrain (snow, ice, rock incl. seven days practical learning with supervisor)&nbsp;<\/li>\n<li>32 days of ski\/winter (e.g., ski mountaineering, off-piste, free-ride, mechanized uplift skiing, ski touring, etc., incl. seven days of practical learning with supervisor)<\/li>\n<li>20 days of rock (alpinism, rescue, technical rock climbing)<\/li>\n<li>Seven days theory with theoretical units from different sectors (a maximum of 10 days will, however, be credited)<\/li>\n<li>Three days of country-specific training<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><u>The best guides seldom promote 100% success<\/u> unless it\u2019s based on how many people joined their team starting from base camp and summited, not those who left from the highest camp and summited. The best guides rarely see such a high rate because that suggests everything went perfectly, and even for the best guides, that\u2019s rare. The best guides will list their summit&#8217;s success on their website.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><u>The best guides have smaller teams. <\/u>While small groups are less profitable, they often offer higher support and have staff with more robust experience and skills.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><u>The best operators require that all guides use supplemental oxygen<\/u>, no matter how strong they are, including the leader, with no exceptions. During the climb, they keep a base camp operation with <u>constant radio communication<\/u> to all mountain climbers, clients, and staff. They receive <u>daily weather forecasts<\/u> from proven, credible sources. If a leader or a guide wants to climb the mountain, their reason, or to set a record, they are not part of the commercial team and have no responsibilities during the expedition. In 2017, Adrian Ballinger, founder and owner of Alpenglow Expeditions, climbed K2 without supplemental oxygen, not a guide but as a member of the Alpenglow team.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Almost everyone gets sick on an 8000-meter climb, some serious, others just a cold. <u>The best guides have a doctor <\/u>at base camp or access to qualified resources.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Modern-day expeditions require massive amounts of electricity to recharge mobile phones, power computers, video projectors, and other luxuries clients often expect. <u>The best guides use solar panels to charge batteries<\/u> and have gasoline-powered generators to use as backup, and even then sparingly.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">T<u>he best guides strictly adhere to <a href=\"https:\/\/lnt.org\/\">Leave No Trace<\/a> (LNT)<\/u> principles and use Wag bags at all camps for solid human waste.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While most climbers never expect to be rescued, it happens as it did for me in 2015 when I, along with almost 200 other people, was trapped in the Western Cwm after the earthquake. <u>The best guides require adequate evacuation and medical insurance. They<\/u> have procedures with a well-staffed home team to coordinate activities, hopefully in their city-based office with reliable communications.<\/p>\n<h1><strong>Judgment<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Climbing an 8000er involves many decisions, with many choices between bad and poor options. This decision-making responsibility lies with both the client and the guides. Still, if money is exchanged, the guide is legally and morally responsible for managing the client. <u>The best operators have a lawfully binding contract<\/u> citing the guide has full authority over the expedition, including the right to cancel it if they believe the climbing is unsafe. The client may be in unnecessary danger.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><u>The best operators don\u2019t skip a rotation<\/u> even if they feel the pressure of a closing weather window. Putting poorly acclimatized climbers high on an 8000er puts everyone at risk. If a climber develops any form of edema, pulmonary or cerebral, they must descend as quickly as possible. This takes resources away from other climbers and could put the entire team at risk. A growing trend is to pre-acclimatize at home using oxygen tents. This works, but <u>the best guides usually include a smaller acclimatization peak <\/u>before arriving at the 8000-meter one.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><u>The best guides may tell clients they can no longer climb<\/u> because they are too slow, unhealthy, or lack the necessary skills. I organized a climb to Broad Peak and only discovered once we were at Camp1 that some climbers had lied on their application and lacked the fundamental skills to climb safely. This is partly why I never organized another expedition.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\n<\/p><h1>&nbsp;<strong>Risk Management<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is when guides earn their money. There are many factors to consider when climbing an 8000er, from snow conditions, weather, objective dangers, crowds, teamwork and more. Before committing to a summit push, the best guides consistently assess these factors, along with the health of individuals and their staff.<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Recently, climbers have died in avalanches. <u>The best operators have taken avalanche awareness training <\/u>and know that significant new snow needs between one and three days in bright sunshine to bond to the current snow\u2014the risk of triggering an avalanche increases by climbing before the new snow bonds.<\/p>\n<h1><strong>Personal Responsibility<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Of all these areas discussed, this is the most important. People climb for unique and personal reasons. No one must justify why they climb to anyone. Mountain climbing is perhaps one of the last bastions of total freedom. If you want to climb a remote peak in Pakistan, you can probably go by just paying for a permit. However, this freedom has limits. When a guide is hired or you join a commercial team, you agree to follow a set of rules. <u>The best guides tell you what these rules are upfront<\/u>. And <u>the best guides have ample backup support<\/u> if something goes wrong, but to count on that support to save your life is a severe miscalculation. Mountain rescues involve significant risk for the rescuers. They often climb under challenging conditions, on dangerous terrain and with little understanding of what the rescue will entail. As Russell Brice said in an Everest Beyond the Limit episode<em>, \u201c<\/em>There\u2019s one Sherpa for each person. The Sherpa will stay with you. If you want to go and die on the mountain, it\u2019s not the Sherpa\u2019s job to die with you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\n<\/p><p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\n<\/p><p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\n<\/p><p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\n<\/p><p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\n<\/p><p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\n<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-1bf279d8 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default wpr-particle-no wpr-jarallax-no wpr-parallax-no wpr-sticky-section-no wpr-column-slider-no wpr-equal-height-no\" data-id=\"1bf279d8\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-3188843a\" data-id=\"3188843a\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-78b04e1c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"78b04e1c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t&nbsp;\n\nClimb On!\nAlan\nMemories are Everything\n\n<hr \/>\n\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>The Podcast on alanarnette.com<\/strong><\/h1>\nYou can listen on <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/2uu2RcE9WiFKzSGl50oFKY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-podcast-on-alanarnette-com\/id1567287947\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy81MTc3MjdlYy9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Google<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/pca.st\/otq8ztfv\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pocket Casts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/radiopublic.com\/the-podcast-on-alanarnettecom-G2R7r0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">RadioPublic<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/alan-arnette1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Anchor<\/a>, and more. Search for &#8220;alan arnette&#8221; on your favorite podcast platform.\n\n<hr \/>\n\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Summit Coach<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.summitcoach.org\/contact\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Schedule a Free Call<\/a><\/p>\n<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-42831 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/www.alanarnette.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/cropped-silverheels_2008_020.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"79\" \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">If you dream of climbing mountains but are unsure how to start or reach your next level, from a Colorado 14er to Rainier, Everest, or even K2, we can help. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.summitcoach.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Summit\u00a0Coach<\/a> is a consulting service that helps aspiring climbers worldwide achieve their goals through a personalized set of consulting services based on Alan Arnette&#8217;s 25 years of high-altitude mountain experience, including summits of Everest, K2, and Manaslu, and 30 years as a business executive.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We continue to see preventable deaths on the 8000-meter mountains. 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